This video shows a very good point about armor penetration. Thin, fast bullets are great against soft body armor, but are worthless against armor plates. For going through steel, the velocity and weight of the projectile is just as important as the hardness of the material.
Truth be told, none of the ammunition in this video is likely to be designed for armor penetration. Since these are East Bloc rounds they are probably light ball rounds using inexpensive steel.
Will some entreprenurial millionare please help Knesek Guns start marketing more of their product line to civlians? Please go to this website and notice how many times the words “steel core,” “enhanced penetration,” and “armor piercing” appear on the product list. The 5.7×28 is currently marketed to civilians in 1000 round boxes.
Most of the rest of their product line on this page is only sold in minimum orders of 500,000 rounds. They informed me this is because they are looking for military or law enforcement agencies to make a purchase. They do have future plan on trying to market their ammunition in smaller order sizes (i.e. civilians). However, this will not likely occur until some large wholesaler or some other ammunition company expresses interest in making a large purchase.
So if you have the cash or the connections please convinces Knesek to increase production of their more unique products.
Sorry about the delay in getting out another post.
I just want to update everyone on a product available from Knesek and follow up on my last post.
For everyone unaware of the 5.7×28 ammunition market, most of what is available to civilians is either polymer tipped or hollow point ammunition. These are great rounds for hunting bunny rabbits, if that’s what you use your fiveseven for. Unfortunately these modifications are also designed to keep you from hunting armored goons. Knesek has stepped in for us and offered a plain FMJ version of this caliber.
Given that I do not own a fiveseven myself I do not want to enter a debate on the abilities of the fiveseven. What is certain is that expanding tipped ammunition has a much lower ability to penetrate kevlar and will lose energy quickly when when fired at a kevlar vest. The FMJ ammunition on the other hand is rated by Knesek to go through “30 layers of Kevlar while still penetrating 11.5 inches of 10% ballistic gelatin.” This is roughly translated as more than one side of a level IIIa vest and a human torso. All they did was put in a normal .224 and add some better powder.
As an aside those of you with more standard caliber pistols should not dispair. There is a fair amount of surplus steel core FMJ ammunition for calibers such as 9×19, 7.62×25, or other military calibers. This is cheap steel, similar to what is in light ball rifle ammunition, so it was not actually designed for penetration. Still, the lighter steel core bullets should have a higher muzzle velocity and much less deformation on impact translating to better penetration through kevlar, wood, possums, or whatever else is in your way.
This post is for those of you looking for a high velocity pistol on a budget. If what you want is the bare minimum to punch through several layers of kevlar then a tokarev (tt-33) or a CZ-52 is what you should be looking for.
I’ve always thought the FN fiveseven looked overpriced and impractical (to each his own). I do like the fact that anyone who buys it is basically thumbing their nose at the ATF. Another unfortunate particular about the fiveseven is that most of the civilian available ammunition is designed to expand on impact which renders its vest busting capabilities a shadow of the performance of military rounds. I’ll post info about FMJ ammunition later.
I like the idea of AK or AR15 style pistols, but these stretch the definition of pistol further than I think we should admit.
Standard commercial loads should go through at least a level II vest or a kevlar helmet, but may not have enough power for every IIIA that stands in its way. You can find M48 light steel core ammunition on gunbroker, selling at a premium of course, that should be able to go the distance.
Besides being the best friend of cop hating skinheads, the tokarev is a great weapon to shoot. It has a similar feel to a 1911. Mine has an issue with the sights that I need to get fixed. There is still some cheap military surplus ammunition lying around that can keep your cost of going to the range down, at least until cold war stock piles dry up.
Paraklese technologies has some pretty amazing products on their website. Unfortunately, anyone who’s heard of them has also heard about long waits for ammunition, complaints of subpar rounds, and a complete lack of communication with paying customers.
It’s hard to resist armor piercing steel slugs with discarding sabots. Just the combination of “armor piercing” and “12-gauge” makes you want to fill out a couple more credit card applications, since your current cards are already maxed out on account of ammo prices these days. I’m sorry these rounds just aren’t going to make your wallet any fatter unless you are the one selling them.
Just in case you don’t have the money or patience for a 50 BMG but still want to put a big hole in a piece of steel, Paraklese has lathe turned steel slugs with polygonal polymer tails. These rounds will put you back quite a bit on a per round basis, but you will probably save money in the long run by giving up your dreams of being a long range sniper.
High velocity sniper rounds these are not, but your friends will still be impressed (not to mention the federal agents surrounding your home right now).
WAIT!!! Before you go the paraklese’s website realize that David may not be able to fill your order. The company has no inventory on hand, and therefore needs to crank out and package these rounds before sending them to you. If you are not an ammunition dealer or law enforcement agency willing to put down at least a few thousand dollars for an order you may not be able to purchase these.
If you are an ammunition dealer, please start an account with him and distribute these items as the invisible hand dictates. http://www.paraklesetechnologies.com/Dealers/dealers.htm
For the rest of us, talk to Charles at http://wolfhilltradingco.com. He actually does have these items in stock and is willing to sell them at a slight markup.
If there are any other reviews of Paraklese or distributors please let me know in the comments. I do see these rounds from time to time in auction websites.
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(17)(A) The term “ammunition” means ammunition or cartridge cases, primers, bullets, or propellent powder designed for use in any firearm. (B) The term “armor piercing ammunition” means – (i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or (ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile. (C) The term “armor piercing ammunition” does not include shotgun shot required by Federal or State environmental or game regulations for hunting purposes, a frangible projectile designed for target shooting, a projectile which the Attorney General finds is primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes, or any other projectile or projectile core which the Attorney General finds is intended to be used for industrial purposes, including a charge used in an oil and gas well perforating device.